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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:12:00 -
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Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:16:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Chribba wrote:Anything that generates something people talk/write about is imo content.
/c I was thinking more specifically about activities people do where "content creators" can be found.
Other than third party development and out of game websites, players do not create content, they interact with the content provided by the developer. |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:21:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
So you don't consider ganking afk miners to be content? Guess it depends on whether you consider the relationship between ganked and ganker to be symptomatic of some bigger issue - like say for example that mining is too easy in highsec or that maybe asteroid belts should be swapped for mining sigs?
I don't think there is a proper definition for game content but i look at it like this...
If someone gives me rubixcube, that would be the content. If solve the cube, that is simply me interacting with that content. I'm not creating anything, i'm just operating within the rules of the content provided. |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:51:00 -
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For the sake of clearing up any confusion, how about we define things as follows:
Game content - anything ccp creates Player driven content - any activity created by players |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. Actually, we do both. That's the whole point of the concept. They have created some minute content that we can interact with. They have also created a large box of tools. We can use those tools to create our own content. Other players then interact with the content we create. If you think that only the stuff created by CCP counts as content, you have a very narrow GÇö to the point of entirely inaccurate GÇö view of what content actually is. The funny part is that you got it reasonably right at first: content is GÇ£stuff to do.GÇ¥ Contrary to your belief, CCP are not the only ones who can create that. Hell, a lot of the EVE content does not even exist within EVE the game.
So when someone says "ccp aren't adding any new content" do you think they mean that ccp aren't adding new people to the game? 
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:35:00 -
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Christina Project wrote: So, content in EVE is every form of interaction between humans.
And here was me thinking that we could just call that a player interaction.
Why are we trying to redefine things that already have definitions? The confusion comes from people like this who misconstrue what others are trying to say.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:43:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote: So, content in EVE is every form of interaction between humans.
And here was me thinking that we could just call that a player interaction. Why are we trying to redefine things that already have definitions? The confusion comes from people like this who misconstrue what others are trying to say. Player interaction IS the content this game is all about. Maybe you too need to get "life" first and realize that as soon as you interact with someone, "life" provides you content. Nowadays it's much more complicated though. People consider watching TV as content. It's consumption. That's the root of the issue, btw. People in our oversaturated societies are used to consume content so much, they forgot that "interaction" is the actual content that makes things happen.
If interactions are not interactions but instead, content. Then what do you call stuff like ships and game mechanics that were traditionally considered game content?  |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Exactly. CCP not creating a enough content is a personal opinion and we all know what is meant when people say that. They want new features, missions, ships, etc... "create your own content" is not a valid suggestion for someone who feels like this. Meh. If that answer isn't valid, then neither is their complaint. Whether they engage in it or not, wilfully ignoring the content being created isGǪ wellGǪ ignorant, and gets the kind of answer it deserves.
Well it is a valid answer is if you are telling them to get a job at ccp as a developer. 
If you are bored by the existing content (actual stuff added by ccp) i don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: You mean to tell me that in a game with thousands of ships and items, you've done 'everything'. I highly doubt that.
I don't think there was the merest suggestion of that. Just because there is something you haven't tried, doesn't mean that you will get hours of entertainment out of it.
I'm bored of eve and i know trying my hand at hauling won't do anything to change that  |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:41:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:45:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players. And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this.
show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction.  |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:54:00 -
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confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content".
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:01:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players. And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction.  Are apples oranges also? Please provide practical evidence that interaction is not content. I can provide tons of evidence that it is, while you are completely unable to prove the contrary. All you need to do is come to Hek when I am around.
My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction!
This thread is asking what people mean when they say content. I can only speak for myself but when i say content, i mean the stuff ccp puts in the game. Everything the players do is just the players playing the game.
question: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction.  content 2 |-êk+Ænt+¢nt| noun (also contents) the things that are held or included in something: she unscrewed the top of the flask and drank the contents. GÇó [ in sing. ] [ with modifier ] the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance: soya milk has a low fat content. GÇó ( contents) a list of the chapters or sections given at the front of a book or periodical: [ as modifier ] : the contents page. GÇó [ mass noun ] the material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc. as distinct from its form or style: the tone, if not the content, of his book is familiar. GÇó information made available by a website or other electronic medium: [ as modifier ] : online content providers. Nothing there about interactions being disqualified form being content. If interactions are included in something, why would they not count as content in that something? In fact, usage 3 seems rather applicable here: the content of a game is distinct from its mechanisms and presentation.
So let me get this straight...unless the dictionary specifically disqualifies something, it can be considered to be that thing? It doesn't mention genocide but i'm fairly certain mass murder isn't content either. |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:20:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content". I like this thread and everyone in it  It is. You just don't get it. Too stuck in your narrow understanding of Life in general. You probably believe your existence has no influence on others too, hu?
Instead of trying to insult people by suggesting they don't "get life" could you answer this:
Quinn Corvez wrote: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
Do you think they just want a CCP dev to trash talk in local.  |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:23:00 -
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Kotch 247 wrote:I wouldn't describe the activities made possible by the tools given to you in a sandbox as content. That's like saying a box of Lego has content. It has possibilities, not content. Content is created when players realise those possibilities. I guess you have to make the distinction between developer-created and player-created content.
Nailed it.
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction! GǪwhich doesn't in any way preclude interaction from being content. There is already a word for banana, and guess what it is? Banana, not berryGǪ or fruit. And yet, bananas are berries (and occasionally fruits).
If the question was what do people mean by bananna, you wouldn't show them a picture of an orange because that is also a fruit. However, this is what you are doing in this thread.
I can see you are an intelligent person and you know full well what people mean by "content" in relation to eve. I think you just like to argue and be see to win your arguments. There is nothing wrong with that but it's not helping anyone, and leads us in to a pointless debate.
If you honestly think that "content" can be used to replace most of the words in the english language, i retract my original assessment of your intelligence. |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:If the question was what do people mean by bananna, you wouldn't show them a picture of an orange because that is also a fruit. And that is not what anyone is doing either, so that was a particularly silly argument (especially since bananas aren't fruits). The fact remains: interaction can be content. There is no opposition between the two terms. One is simply a subset of the other, same as how a banana is a berry. Quote:I can see you are an intelligent person and you know full well what people mean by content in relation to eve. Yes. Pretty much everything in it, especially the many forms of interaction it provides. I also know that some people mistakenly only have the themepark viewpoint of content as something to consume, but that doesn't mean that that is the only type of content a sandbox has to offer.
Ah then i see that you have nothing useful to contribute in this thread, so i'm not sure why you are persisting.
People aren't saying, "content" can't include multiple things according to the dictionary definition. Some of us believe that when people say "eve content" (as specified in the title of the thread if you care to read it ) they are specifically referring to the things ccp up in the game but i guess you can't see that...
So at the end of the day, when people ask for ccp so add new content they are asking ccp to add "more everything"... Thanks Tippia, you've been very helpful. |

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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Ah then i see that you have nothing useful to contribute in this thread, so i'm not sure why you are persisting. So you agree then since you have no counter-argument and have to go for the laughably pathetic passive-aggressive insults. Quote:People aren't saying, "content" can't include multiple things according the definition. Not GÇ£peopleGÇ¥, no. You are. That's why I'm correcting your very ignorant and misinformed view. Quote:Some of us believe that when people say "eve content" the are specifically referring to the things ccp up in the game. All of us believe that. Some of us just think that it is very unfortunate that these people haven't quite grasped what counts as content in a sandbox game.Quote:Thanks Tippia, you've been very helpful. You're welcome.
To be honest i just think you're a condescending ***** that is ignoring the purpose of the thread and hijacking it as a platform to make yourself feel good.
I never said content can't include multiple things. I said "game content" and the actual definition of content are two different things.
I know the ingame and out of game meaning but your narrow minded and arrogant attitude blinds you from seeing i was right from page one... And you just admitted i was right.  |

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DaReaper wrote: Content in this case is whats included in the body of work. EvE is a body of work, therefor any interaction inside said body of work that generates substance, or more stories is content. Technically billy bob shooting sue in the face and moving on is more interaction, but goonswarm crushing all of eve and forming the big blue doughnut is content. As it creates a history and a story. Its part of the game, the back story, and the future. I win
Nobody is denying that mate. I've said it about ten times now but the question is; what do people mean when they say "EVE content" not content in general?
I agree with what you said but i understand when people ask for new content, they are asking for ccp to introduce new stuff. They are not asking for more blue donuts, burn jita events, corp thefts, miner bumps... Surely you can see that? 
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DaReaper wrote: When players say "ccp should make more content" they are not seeing eve for what it is. They want more rides.
Exactly. right or wrong, that is what these people mean. |
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:I said "game content" and the actual definition of content are two different things. GǪand as demonstrated, they're not. Just because your argument didn't doesn't mean you have to get all huffy and abusive. You were just wrong (especially in what you said on page one). It happens. Live with it.
At the end of the day, you are not qualified to pass judgement on anyone here or declare someone as being wrong and neither am I. The question is largely open to interpretation, and with something as general as "game content" all we can do is hope to arrive at a consensus.
I don't think i got abusive did i? On the contrary I find your conduct throughout this thread to be very poor and many of your posts at pointless in the context of the original thread (quoted post included).
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